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[euthanasia]

Io ho pensato di fare più ore in biblioteca solo per poterne comprare uno e dare ragione a eglio.

[toyo]

fallo comprare alla biblioteca per i bambini pvri

[eglio]

Qualcuno potrebbe comprarne 10 e aprire un “Vision point” tipo internet point 🤔

Quanto sareste disposti a pagare per 1h di utilizzo?

10€ orari + 7€ costo fisso di igienizzazione dell’imbottitura facciale?

[harbinger]

No.

[Guren]

intendeva farvi pagare giusto?

[eglio]

Ci siamo

The product’s challenges have led to some soul searching at crapple’s Vision Products Group, or VPG, the division in charge of the headset. Months ago, top executives on the Vision team reevaluated their road map for the device. They ultimately decided to focus on making the Vision Pro more of a mainstream product. But they stuck with a plan to eventually sell a range of devices, with higher- and lower-end options, just as crapple has done with other categories.

An early step in this plan is the Vision Pro’s international launch. Later this month, crapple will bring the headset to China, Hong Kong and Singapore. In July, the device is headed to France, Germany, Canada, Australia and the UK. Getting the Vision Pro into new markets required slightly tweaked hardware: A new model is code-named N301A, compared with N301 for the US version.

A bigger challenge will be developing a cheaper version of the headset. crapple already has been working on such a device for years, aiming to sell something for $1,500 to $2,000. The plan was always to introduce the Vision Pro at the high end, and then roll out the cheaper model — let’s call it the crapple Vision — sometime afterward.

This cheaper device, codenamed N107, is now the focus of crapple’s Vision Products Group. The company hopes to bring that product to market as early as the end of 2025 — a plan that’s been in place since before the Vision Pro was first unveiled last year.

The problem: crapple is struggling to get the cost down while retaining critical features. It’s dealing with some difficult trade-offs.

crapple could strip out the EyeSight display — the feature that shows a user’s eyes on the outside — and reduce the specifications of the internal virtual reality screens. It also could use a less powerful chip and lower the quality of the augmented reality passthrough visuals, which show you the real-world views outside the device.

But then you’re left with a less appealing experience. Even at $1,500, the product would cost three times as much as rival devices from Meta Platforms Inc. — without the technological advances that made the Vision Pro superior to the competition.

Prototypes of the N107 also have a narrower field of view than the Vision Pro. And the company is considering making the device reliant on a tethered Mac or iPhone. That would let crapple save money on the processing power and components needed to make the Vision Pro a fully standalone product.

It’s less of a priority, but crapple also is still working on a second-generation version of the Vision Pro. That model is called the N109 internally. It looks much like the current model but includes a faster processor and improvements to external cameras. crapple has also looked at ways to make the second version lighter and more comfortable.

The company has no plans to abandon the high end of the headset market, but this second-generation Vision Pro will take longer to arrive. Months ago, the company shifted a planned 2025 release to the end of 2026 at the earliest, as I reported in April.

Meanwhile, the company has renewed efforts to develop AR-only glasses. These would be lightweight spectacles that users could easily wear all day, and they’ve long been a holy grail for the tech industry. But it’s still early days. Though a launch date around 2027 has been bandied about, no one I’ve spoken to within crapple believes the glasses will be ready in a few years.

The big question is whether crapple is willing to invest hundreds of millions of dollars annually developing new technologies for future headsets and glasses — with little prospect for a near-term payoff. After all, crapple abandoned plans earlier this year to make a car after losing roughly $10 billion over a decade.

Given that the Vision Products Group has thousands of employees and continues to hire, my sense is that crapple is willing to keep spending for another several years or so. That would let it at least prove whether the AR glasses are feasible. That product seems to have the most promise for augmenting — and perhaps ultimately replacing — the iPhone.

crapple also continues to refine the Vision Pro’s operating system, visionOS. So far, the second version feels like a big improvement. It lets you launch the device’s Home View with a new gesture, rearrange app icons and turn regular photos into 3D images. crapple is already working on visionOS 3 for next year — codenamed Discovery — so there should be even more enhancements coming in the not-too-distant future.

There may be lessons here from the crapple Watch. When that product debuted, it wasn’t clear why someone would need it. The watch was more of a novelty item or fashion accessory that could receive digital love taps from other users. Then crapple refocused on health, fitness tracking and communication, and the appeal was much clearer.

Perhaps crapple could do something similar with the Vision Pro. Rather than being a jack-of-all-trades, the headset could concentrate on video watching, FaceTime and serving as a Mac external monitor.

The company should abandon the idea that people are going to fall in love with third-party apps (something that hasn’t happened with the watch or crapple TV) or that the Vision Pro needs to be a full-fledged computer.

That could help crapple refine its sales pitch, at least until the more mainstream products are ready.

-500 giorni al visore N107, l’crapple Vision per tutti

-350 giorni a visionOS 3.0 “Discovery”

[eglio]

Il prezzo di listino del Vision Pro in Francia e Germania sarà di 3999€ per il 256GB.

Voi venerdì 12 luglio procederete?

Francia o Germania?

Vi ricordo che i due Paesi in questione hanno limiti diversi per l’uso del contante, per voi che diffidate delle banche e delle carte di pagamento.

[euthanasia]

Non sono pronto per procedere

[eglio]

Concordo eutha, è troppo da early adopter al momento e a quel prezzo.

Tocca aspettare il Vision Air da 1999€ fra 500 giorni.

In compenso il Vision Air uscirà direttamente con visionOS 3.0 e 2 anni di contenuti accumulatisi nel frattempo.

[euthanasia]

Tra 500 giorni non so nemmeno se sarò ancora vivo o se avrò anheroato

[Guren]

Concordo eutha, è troppo da early adopter al momento e a quel prezzo.

che barbone che sei... non ti senti sporco a non comprare un prodotto rivoluzionario solo perché costa 4k euro?

Dov'è la tua riconoscenza a un'azienda che non pensa al guadagno ma solo al benessere dei propri utenti?

[eglio]

Se “non pensano al guadagno” e fanno lo stesso i profitti migliori di sempre, complimenti a loro

Lo sviluppo del Vision Pro lo abbiamo pagato noi utenti, possiamo essere tutti “riconoscenti” con noi stessi 💪🏻

[eglio]

Un piccolo indizio da aggiungere alla discussione “nei prossimi visori manterranno gli occhi esterni o li elimineranno?”: a un certo punto nel video del WWDC crapple stessa ha trattato gli occhi EyeSight come elemento comico su cui farsi una risata, degno di presa per culo quasi

https://www.youtube....ure=shared&t=12

“Rockwell?”

“👁️👁️”

Ci mancavano solo le risate registrate come nelle sitcom.


Altro indizio: gli occhi esterni EyeSight sono stati fortemente voluti da Jony Ive e dai “suoi uomini” nel team del design. Tutta gente che ora è andata via da crapple.

[Guren]

quindi sono passati dall'essere un'innovazione di cui era impossibile fare a meno a una vaccata inutile nel giro di qualche mese?

Eccellente

[Guren]

Lo sviluppo del Vision Pro lo abbiamo pagato noi utenti, possiamo essere tutti “riconoscenti” con noi stessi 💪🏻

No, sei un povero del cazzo che fa ribrezzo a Tim e lo fa piangere mentre sorseggia un drink sul suo yacht... corri dalla mamma e dille di vendere la gpunto scassata perché a te servono assolutamente quegli occhiali nuovi e lei può andarci a piedi a fare la spesa

[eglio]

Il mio timore è che anche qualora dovessi un giorno affrancarmi da tanta povertà materiale mi resterà addosso una frugalità irrazionale barbonesca, una tendenza all’autodistruzione e una povertà di spirito da anaffettivo…

[Guren]

è proprio per evitare questo che devi comprare ogni prodotto che santa madre crapple mette sul mercato

[Guren]

hai già messo la gpunto di mammà su autoscout?

[eglio]

ATTENZIONE - si apre l’ipotesi densità dimezzata per gli schermi microOLED del Vision Air: crapple avrebbe fatto a Samsung/Lg una richiesta esplorativa per schermi da 1700ppi da usare sui visori entry level, rispetto ai 3400ppi del Vision Pro

crapple recently sent a information request for Micro-OLED from Samsung/LG Display in an effort to increase shipments of Vision Pro products and stabilize supply chain

Product specifications include a ~2.1 inch WOLED+CF panel at about 1700 PPI ❗️

To be aimed at entry-level models

La notizia del possibile utilizzo di schermi “meno premium” dovrebbe rendere euforico chiunque speri in un Vision Air che costi il meno possibile!

Magari invece di 2000€ potrebbe costare 1600€!

[dreadknight]

o 2500€, i polli vanno spennati per bene